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Ivo Vegter
Global warmism needs a fisking

"Here. Have a video. Evidence of global warming. Science win!" And around we go again, as if repeating things often enough, or merely calling it "science", establishes truth. A fisking is in order.

Fisking is the refutation of an article (or in this case, video) on a point by point basis. The term, coined in the pre-history of blogging, is derived from the name of journalist Robert Fisk, whose writing presents a particularly soft target for such treatment. Luckily, Fisk says doesn't read the internet, so it doesn't bother him that half the world shreds his articles for entertainment.

Here is the video in question:

It was made by James L. Powell, an "author, scientists and non-profit executive", who is about to publish a book entitled, "The Inquisition of Climate Science". I can't wait to buy it, if only for the photos of torture and executions.

The video's tagline says, "Is global warming true? Look at the evidence and decide for yourself."

So, let's look at it.

From its first words, the film is disingenuous. It implies that sceptics deny that global warming is happening, that humans are the cause, and that it's dangerous. Truth is, most accept the first, question the extent of the second and doubt the last assertion.

Most sceptics accept that the 40-year (and 100-year, and 300-year) temperature trend is rising. However, they doubt the accuracy of the data, that this is "warming on an unprecedented scale", that human activity is the most important cause, that the future has only warming in store, and that this would involve only dangers. They also question the motives of climate scientists and the green industries that have grown up around them.

That may be why the film has to appeal to Sudan and Zimbabwe to make up the rather low number of 33 national science academies that support man-made global warming claims. Besides, they're government institutions, so they're not exactly unbiased in this matter. Colour me sceptical.

The hardly-legible list of organisations that believe "global warming is true" includes several outfits that were founded on this explicit presumption. Some are outright political lobby groups. Agreed, however, that few, if any, organisations of scientists in the world say "global warming is not true". But neither do most serious sceptics, if that's how you're phrasing the question.

Then we get to "climate scientists". This is a self-selected group, of course. They are predisposed to claim that climate change constitutes a crisis. If you were a bright kid with a bent for mathematics and science and you had to choose a field of specialisation, but you didn't think climate change is a crisis, and it would be worth building a career to study this field, wouldn't you rather be a physicist, or a molecular biologist, or a statistician, or a genetics researcher, or a mechanical engineer? Would you devote your life to a field in which you don't already believe? Aren't you likely, once you've chosen a field, to defend its raison d'etre against all comers?

Why insist on this narrow definition of scientists eligible to theorise on the subject of climate change? The earth's climate is a vast, complex system, and requires a wide-ranging, multidisciplinary research approach, so why quote only scientists who have signalled their preconceived ideas by defining their field so narrowly?

This does not mean there's a conspiracy. Alarmists often use this dismissive term to discredit the idea that the global warming lobby argues its own vested interests. It isn't a conspiracy that all shopkeepers in a town try to make a profit and promote the virtues of shopping, either, but they do all act alike. All act independently in their own interest, just like climate scientists do. Billions of dollars worth of research grants – whole institutions and entire careers – are dependent on the notion that global warming is a crisis that needs our urgent attention.

That's not to mention the corporate interests in green technology, of which Al Gore's Generation Investment Management is merely one high-profile example. Billions of dollars in speculative investments are at risk. All of these investors would greatly benefit from environmental regulation and subsidies, while many would stand to lose their shirts if climate change didn't turn out to be a grave crisis. Again, this does not constitute a conspiracy theory. This is merely how companies operate: each independently seeks the advancement of its own interests, and tries to lobby government to pass laws that benefit them and disadvantage their competitors.

That climate scientists say climate change is a crisis is like quoting priests on the evil of sin. Most would claim there's too much of it about. That green technology companies agree is like asking wealthy televangelists for a second opinion.

So far, we have only transparent rhetoric, full of appeals to authority and consensus, neither of which constitute "evidence".

The film continues equally disingenuously, with a primary-school lesson on the greenhouse effect. Does he mean to imply sceptics dispute the existence of the greenhouse effect? Surely not. Sceptics are far more likely to argue that more CO2 in the atmosphere has a progressively smaller impact on warming. Or that there have been times when CO2 concentrations were many times greater than they are today, yet this did not result in runaway global warming, which prospect alarmists now warn is very possible.

Moreover, sceptics claim there are other greenhouse gases that are far more abundant and influential than CO2, not least of which is good old water. In fact, humans contribute only about 0.3% of the total greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere. The behaviour of water in the atmosphere, and in particular the effect of cloud formation, is not at all well understood. In all, they conclude that there is scant cause for believing that human activity is the primary cause of global warming.

Sceptics are also worried by chart manipulation. Take the triple-chart that anchors the video. The scales for the three overlaid elements are arbitrary. They are chosen to make them look like perfect matches. Most glaring is that each scale has a different base (only one of which is zero), and measures in different units. This is a classic trick in the arsenal of those who manipulate statistics to make a political point, and makes whatever follows appear suspicious.

Even the temperature chart itself suffers from this scale problem. It is the Michael Mann hockey stick chart, the most widely-promoted "evidence" that 20th-century global warming is unprecedented. It has been convincingly debunked by Ross McKitrick and Steve McIntyre, but keeps cropping up. Instead of using the same proxy data (tree rings) for the entire chart, it switches to instrument measurements around 1960. Where they overlap, they disagree. However, scientists appear to simply ignore that contradiction, instead of wondering whether the tree ring data in question – data which has itself been challenged because of highly selective sampling – is a good proxy for temperature. Even if it were, there is no way of determining the proper scale for the proxy series, so it cannot be compared to the instrumental series in order to deduce a trend. The same problem appears in the subsequent charts, where ice cores and other proxies are used for the historic temperature record.

It would have been nice to have a modern thermometer planted in the middle of the Little Ice Age or the Medieval Warm Period to add scale to the proxy data. Without it, sceptics question whether it is possible to draw firm conclusions from a comparison of historic proxy data with contemporary temperature data. Maybe it once was warmer, maybe not. We cannot say.

This is a basic scientific error, so the continued insistence that the hockey stick chart is credible can only be attributed to a desire to perpetuate a false result.

Even if the scale of the two series is correct, the scale of the overall chart has been chosen to exaggerate 20th-century warming. It doesn't, for example, show clearly that there was significant variability throughout the century, with a 30-year decline sandwiched between two rising trends, despite our CO2 output rising consistently.

Nor does it show that the 1998 high was in the continental US at least, comparable to the highs of the 1930s dustbowl years, or that the charts show a decade-long plateau since then that may well signal a trend reversal. This oddity is not addressed at all in the video. Warmists explain it away by attributing the 1998 peak in temperatures, which used to be cited as "evidence" of global warming, to a particularly strong El Niño. Such inconsistencies undermine the narrative of exceptional, man-made, runaway warming, so it is dangerous to show them if you're asking viewers to make up their own minds.

Sceptics are also wary of cause-and-effect assertions, when data merely seems to be correlated. There's some clever rhetoric in the video about this problem. If you don't believe the chart shows cause and effect, the narrator says, you have to accept two things we don't know. Note that they are not two things we know to be false, and in fact, neither are particularly implausible. Moreover, we do not know the alternative to be true. The entirety of his argument is: just accept it, because we can't think of anything else. Scientists once accepted all sorts of strange untruths on this basis.

By contrast, we do have reason to suspect that the cause-and-effect explanation has some holes. Historically, for example, temperature trends appear to precede changes in CO2 concentrations by several centuries. This is a fact that Al Gore, in his film, An Inconvenient Truth, found too inconvenient to mention. He glossed over it by calling it "complicated".

No surprise. If true, this fact – like a few others that are too inconvenient to be covered in the video – would conclusively scupper the entire theory of CO2-induced global warming, all by itself.

The observation does supports some alternative theories, however, such as those involving oceans as heat sinks and stores of CO2. Of course, this would mean finding an alternative cause for temperature changes, too. One candidate is the effect of solar activity upon our atmosphere. Effects are not limited to direct heat output irradiating the earth, but also how its changing magnetic field affects cosmic rays, which influence events in the atmosphere such as rain and ice formation.

Unlike warmists, sceptics do not claim such theories as proven truth, just because they seem plausible and explain a lot. However, there is at least as much correlative "evidence" for them, and they have the great advantage that temperature changes occur a few decades after the apparent cause, rather than before it. Ironically, this is also the rather weak basis upon which warmists dismiss this theory: a lack of correlation over just the last three decades, which happens to equal the observed lag between cause and effect.

This guy does worse, however. He avoids any explanation of the solar variation theory, dismissing it brusquely: nights have warmed more than days. Citing this as a falsification of solar theories of climate change stretches credulity.

One of the pieces of "evidence", regarding oceans having warmed steadily since 1970, actually contradicts the theory of man-made global warming. Ocean temperature changes happen on long time-scales, so their warming is unlikely to have been caused by industrial activity of the last half-century. They are more likely a cause of global warming, than an effect.

The video then goes into a long list of apparent effects of warming. Since the warming trend itself is not in dispute (depending on the date range under consideration), neither are these effects.

Observe some curious anomalies, however: in the 1970s, it appears a lot more glaciers than usual were advancing, and fewer were retreating. Why, if temperatures were rising? And if the temperature has been rising until 1940, declining until 1970, and rising most precipitously since then, why has sea level rise been so consistent, since before we began to emit a lot of CO2? And where are the metre-scale rises that threaten to inundate entire countries?

None of these charts are relevant to the argument, however, so it is not worth wasting time on them. Presenting such observations is merely another neat rhetorical trick to distract from the real issue: does human activity causes temperature changes, should we expect warming to continue, and if it does, will it reach disastrous levels?

And with that, we have reached the end of the "evidence".

None of it addresses the issues that sceptics raise: that the anthropogenic contribution to warming is speculative and exaggerated, while natural causes are played down; that computer models are inconsistent, contain built-in assumptions about "forcing" to make them fit predetermined conclusions, and fall far short of adequately modelling the atmosphere and oceans; that measurement networks are patchy, inaccurate in many cases, and the actual data is a disorganised mess; that scientists are well aware that some climate research relies on selective and incomplete data; that measures proposed to curb warming will be extremely costly and will be surprisingly ineffective; that there are better ways of investing these resources.

And all of this, before we add the Climategate revelations, which, as I've written before, fell short of proving scientific fraud, but did show gross incompetence in handling the large datasets involved, the use of clever tricks instead of sceptical inquiry to varnish over inconsistencies, disregard for both law and the public interest in handling information that is being used to justify far-reaching policy measures, and active efforts to subvert the peer-review mechanism to exclude legitimate science that contradicts man-made global warming theory.

This isn't a plot, or a conspiracy theory. This is simply bad science, conducted by scientists whose careers are on the line, paid for by investors with a stake in the outcome and politicians who want the moral cloak of playing saviour in a crisis.

Clinging to received dogma, by repeating hoary arguments unilluminated by new facts, demonstrates an abdication of critical thought that is not conducive to credible science.

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Well argued. Keep it up, Ivo.
Fisking is fun for the fisker, less so for the ‘fiskee’, and having read IV’s piece on ‘global warming’ I thought he could do with a bit of fisking himself. So here goes.
First of all, climate scientists prefer the term ‘climate change’ rather than ‘global warming’, which is inaccurate. And the video by James L. Powell may well be bad science – I didn’t watch it - but this in no way detracts from the validity of climate science in general.
As to the ‘disingenuous’ claims of JLP’s video, IV writes, “It (the video) implies that sceptics deny that global warming is happening, that humans are the cause, and that it's dangerous. Truth is, most accept the first, question the extent of the second and doubt the last assertion”. Really? Is that ‘most sceptics’ or ‘most people’?
The IPCC, presumably the ‘self-appointed’ ‘global warmists’ is a remarkable and unprecedented collaboration of about 1000 scientists appointed by the UN Environmental Programme and the World Meteorological Organisation from a wide range of scientific disciplines, whose work is closely peer-reviewed, and whose tenure is of a limited duration, producing reports that, if anything, err on the side of conservatism. Scientists make mistakes, no doubt about it, hence the need for the peer review system. It is not some money-driven, careerist programme set up to benefit the so-called ‘warmists’.
I regard climate change as exceedingly dangerous, even a threat to civilization. There is now clear and unambiguous evidence of changing weather patterns all over the globe. This is not in dispute. Many climate scientists argue that this is the result of man-made global climate change – this is in dispute. But leaving that aside for the moment, why is it dangerous? Let’s consider the case of the melting glaciers.
There is little argument, even from skeptics, that glaciers are shrinking. It has been observed by scientists from all over the world since the 1850s. One of the most critical cases is the Himalayas. Now, before you leap up from your laptop and point to the IPCC Himalayan glacier episode last year, let me remind you that those glaciers are definitely disappearing, maybe not by 2035, as was erroneously claimed. (The IPCC has since acknowledged its error). Himalayan communities have been watching them fade away for decades. Now, as you probably know, glaciers drive vast river catchment processes. In normal summer melts land-based glaciers are the source of increased river flows. If they start shrinking over time, the rivers will shrink and may even dry up completely. The once-permanent glaciers on the Himalayas are melting faster than normal, incidentally causing massive annual floods as they do so. If they disappear completely (which could happen as soon as 50 years from now) the great river systems of India and China will have been drastically diminished. This will significantly affect the food supply of about one third of humanity. Is this serious enough?
Your condescending tone may provide you with a warm inner glow, but to those working in this field you are merely contributing to an ill-informed scepticism that can only delay the serious responses so urgently needed, and which are not happening. So well done, if that’s what you want.
Regarding "global warming" versus "climate change", I'm well aware of the distinction. I used the former, however, because that is what the video I was criticising used. Perhaps you'd care to watch it, before you jump feet-first into the argument.

On "most sceptics" versus "most people", I clearly mean "most sceptics". I never referred to "people", so there was no ambiguity in omitting the subject from the sentence in question.

On "self-appointed", I said "self-selected". I referred clearly to "climate scientists", not the IPCC or anyone else. The term is well-known in research circles, and is a significant cause of bias in survey results. Despite this, I described in detail what I meant, so there should be no grounds for misunderstanding.

As for the rest, your faith in peer review and the impartiality of the IPCC is touching, but your view that we must act now to reverse a natural process that happens all the time is flawed. We must weigh costs and benefits, and the costs of acting (extremely high) versus the anticipated benefits (very low, even in the estimates of advocates of action) makes for a very weak justification for elaborate, coercive measures to combat climate change.

You're also wrong on the final point: it is not my aim to delay the serious responses, but to prevent them altogether. They will do more harm than good, even if they do any good, which is questionable.
Of course, should have seen this coming, Ivo's solution is for everyone to be the best petrol-head they can be. V8 anyone? Please, don't do anything that will help the world with 160million refugees from Bangladesh (which will seize to exist as a country) after 100cm of sea level rise. Ignore Fiji and all the island nations whom have no money to create sea barriers like the Netherlands or London.

Ivo is right on one thing though, any response will most likely be too little too late, but he will possibly suggest fitting a propeller to your V8 next (seeing his arguments are founded on such scientific based gems as "They [the responses] will do more harm than good, even if they do any good, which is questionable").

As always, our inevitable suffering will spur us on to new and inventive ways and opportunities in dealing with the issue. For some that "innovation" means being in denial of the very problem causing the suffering and for others it means putting up a solar panel or switching off a couple of lights or driving a smaller car or recycling some glass. To each his own.
Still camped out there on the banks of denial Ivo? The idea that Climate change (CC) is not not anthropogenic is laughable. There is no point even entering debate with you, your mind is made up and no amount of evidence can convince you otherwise, even reasonable and reasoned debate like that above. Your understanding of the precautionary principle is wrong. In fact you have managed to turn it upside down. The principle states that if human activity could be harming the environment, that activity should cease. Of course ceasing the use of coal (oil and gas are almost irrelevant to CC) will destroy the global economy so we cannot stop CC and we will have to suffer the consequences, which on many measures are worse and occurring faster that even the gloomiest forecasts.

And ironically CC may not even matter. Our economy is being undone by resource depletion, the most serious of which is oil. Oil production (crude and condensates) has not increased since 2004. If oil production doesn't increase again then economic growth is finished. No amount of nuclear, wind, Sasol or used french fry oil, all together will make up for oil. We don't know how to live in a steady state or contracting economy and I suspect the lesson is going to be quite hard. Phase 2 of the GFC is just getting underway and I suspect deleveraging is going to get quite nasty in the next few months.

Now I wonder Ivo - do you understand the nexus between oil and the economy?
Oh, and BTW, all of the academies of science of all the G8 countries; and those of China and India; endorse CC science. Of course they are wrong and you are right.
You last sentence says it perfectly, though against your argument. "Clinging to received dogma, by repeating hoary arguments unilluminated by new facts, demonstrates an abdication of critical thought that is not conducive to credible science."
Yep, sadly, that's what you've done - not checked the facts, swallowed the propoganda and won't trust the information coming from your own senses.

A few things you might not know - since the early 1980's (possibly earlier) nearly all the 'skeptical' anti-climate change propaganda has been disseminated by organinsations funded by big oil, utility, coal and car companies) (look up - Global Climate Coalition, Heartland Institute, Cato Institute, Competitive Enterprise Institute and the AEI).

A study funded by George H. W. Bush (not a person who generally acts against his own and his cronies' interests!) - the U.S. Global Change Research Program - was a 20-year study including such agencies as the NOAA, NASA, the Pentagon, the National Science Foundation, the Department of State and eight others. The report was released last June (2009) - here's the opening few statements: "Observations show that the warming of the climate is unequivocal." / "The global warming over the past 50 years is due primarily to human-induced emissions of heat-trapping gases."
Bet they didn't toast THAT report at the Bush family oil rigs!

Another new study recently released investigates the credibility and credentials of climate change scientists vs those of the sceptics ie - who can we trust. They analysed the publications and citation records of 1,372 climate researchers and found that "97%-98% of the climate researchers most actively publishing in the field support the tenets of ACC (anthropogenic climate change) outlined by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and (ii) the relative climate expertise and scientific prominence of the researchers unconvinced of ACC are substantially below that of the convinced researchers."
Ito expertise, experience and scientific credentials, the researchers who are convinced our actions are creating climate change know a heck of a lot more about what's going on than businessmen and politicians with no scientific qualifications at all! (look up Philip Cooney, Christopher Monckton, James Inhofe, to name a few)

Yes, the science isn't perfect (nor the scientists who are sometimes guilty of hyping the facts - they trying to get people to pay attention. Look up Nick Davies' analysis in 'Flat Earth News' of how the Y2K scandal happened), but we're only starting to understand the incredible inter-dependency and fragility of the natural systems we are willy-nilly destroying. 100 years ago, scientists KNEW the atom was the smallest particle - then they discovered it didn't even exist and everything is just quantum waves ... or particles ... or cats.

If the sceptics are right and we do nothing, no problem.
If the sceptics are wrong and we still do something (switch to clean energy, stop pollution & recycle everything we can, stop saturating our bodies with chemicals we know nothing about, etc, etc) then, hey, we won't all die AND we'll have created freedom from oil slavery, a healthier planet and we'll still be able to eat sushi.

But if the sceptics are wrong and we do nothing, the consequences will test our survival as an entire species.
Well said Sarah! The energy industry has been funding the skeptics for decades. Their duplicity and skullduggery defies belief, not to mention the vast sums they have spent trying to undermine climate science. However, it does seem that the truth will out, finally. Sadly, it will probably take another Gulf disaster or two for us to wake up and smell the CO2.
I suspect Ivo may be an alien who was not around in 2007 when the UN's IPCC report made global news. Forgive him, for he knows not what he's on about.

PS: Just to correct Julian, the IPCC was compiled by more than 2500 scientific expert reviewers, more than 800 contributing authors, and more than 450 lead authors from 130 countries over a 6 year period.
You guys really take the cake for self righteousness and smugness.

Do what you darned like - walk to work, build your house out of solar panels, worship Al Gore! Just include me out of your delusions. I will fight and flout your sanctimonious regulations, I'll laugh at your peer pressure, I will resist your tyranny, like all the others before it.

If its not christians, or muslims, or fascists, or communists telling me how to live, its ruddy ecologists!
As apposed to the smugness of telling the world to not care how you live? Two sides of the same coin. One is what one despise.
No, you're wrong here. It's not that we want you to "not care"; we would like to be able to choose for ourselves. What the ecologists of the world would have happen is for governments to force this down our throats - while eco-business gets rich on the subsidies, grants etc. Yes, let's be very clear on this - there is big business on *both* sides of the affair, doing all they can to make things go their way.
Ah, yes, how pretty and idyllic the world would be without the big bad conglomerates. Really?

Unfortunately that is how our world fix demand, as apposed to big governments which rarely get anything done. People actually working for power vs people spinning into power. Big Oil will eventually be replaced by Big Solar, and even they will eventually be replaced by Big Fusion. Make peace with it.
You misunderstand me. I have made peace with it - I was merely pointing out that conglomerates are on either side (as opposed to one side only). You are confirming what I know, and what Ivo has mentioned in a few articles now.

If it is the right way to go, we will eventually go solar - if and when someone finds a way to make it economically viable to an extent that they go big. This is the way it has always been in a capitalist world, and I have no problem with that.

No, my main point was that we want to choose for ourselves, and not have a certain (greener?) way of doing things forced on us. The effects of the latter can already be seen in the (rather pointless) CO2 tax coming our way, despite the lack of "green" fuel and lack of incentive to get the older vehicles off the road.
Ecologists? These are scientific folk who study ecology. Do you mean environmentalists?
Besides the raft of insults and misrepresentations of what I said, the implicit appeal to the precautionary principle in most of these responses is telling. The problem with the precautionary principle is that it prohibits its own application. We are not certain about the risk of doing X, but neither are we certain of the risk of not doing X. Demanding that everyone should be forced to do something (or not, depending on the issue), "just in case", is fatuous. It's like buying insurance even if you can't afford the premiums, or the costs do not justify the value of and risk to the insured item. It makes no sense to do so.

It is action for the sake of action, without regard for the consequences.

If you think climate change is a crisis, by all means invest in means to mitigate it. If you're right, you'll make a fortune, and the solution will be available. You'll be called a genius and a saint. Throughout history, that is how our combined knowledge has driven progress. Innovative people bet on the future, and are rewarded if they are right. The same process, however, weeds out the far larger number of wrong bets on the future, without costing everyone else money. If those wrong bets had been forced upon everyone by law, we'd have destroyed our civilisation a long time ago.

And please, people. Stop exaggerating. Sea levels are rising at a steady rate of about 20cm per century. Panicking over a disaster that might happen 500 years from now is insane. Do you think someone living in 1510 could have imagined the needs, problems or capabilities of today's society? Then don't presume that you're omniscient.

Curing preventable diseases or preventing today's deaths of malnutrition strikes me as a rather more critical need than diverting our resources to allay mankind's perennial terror of speculative catastrophes far in the future.

Perhaps read up on the Copenhagen Consensus project for some rational cost-benefit analysis of solving the world's problems. Unlike me, the economists on that project do believe climate change is an issue, but conclude that combating it turns out to be is a terrible investment of resources, by comparison with more pressing needs.
You say exaggeration when 100cm is a fact (I did not state a rate with it). How can it possibly be exaggeration? I certainly did not state 50cm instead of 100cm. Or did you find out it is actually 2m when I said 1m? Also, 20cm/century is as much fact today, as was 0cm/century 30 years ago, as was "no one bothered to take readings"cm/century was 200 years ago. There is nothing constant about sea levels rising and a lot of factors can increase the rate including melting poles (resulting in a less reflective surface, and in fact, resulting in a more than ideal heat absorbent surface). All scientists factually know today is what the current rate is, not that it is a "still to be used by our children in 2150"-constant (as apposed to say the speed of light).

Bangladesh (and others) will become a global problem. If not your problem, then your child's problem. Imagine asking the world to house and feed 4x South Africas today. The only difference the sea-level's rate of increase will make, is if they will become a problem at a 160M population or rather in 2100 when they are 420M people (while the world population is at 16B - at the current estimated rate of 1 billion additional people added per decade).

Regarding "diverting" and "wasting" resources (which implies a limit) - luckily I know for a fact we have resources in abundance to waste - Ivo told me so not a week ago ;)
Make sense please, and get your facts straight.

Facts: 30 years ago, the rate of sea level rise was, ahem, 20cm/century, just like it was in 1900 and just like it is today.

Sense: I was talking about financial resources in this context, and about mineral resources in the column you mention. And I did not say we had an abundance to waste. I said we are not running out of most resources, and in any case the price mechanism exists to handle scarcity. So if you want to be accurate, I said resources are scarce.

Now, you struggle to get even simple facts straight, and do not appear to understand basic economics. So why should anyone roll over and submit when you demand that governments take urgent and coercive action against the grave danger of climate change?
And you put words in mouths. I never stated that I'm either for or against submitting to government demands. I have however stated (or at least implied) that I'm for changing the ways we live and if then for no other than altruistic reasons.

You will, of course, make the normal argument that people 200 years ago did not worry, so why should we. But the reality is for thousands of years the population was well below carrying capacity and bar the atomic bomb very little humans did, or could have done, had any global impact. Now, only in the last 20 years or so, do we have a very large population (too large by many accounts) and, with the last IPCC report's findings, the risks/rewards equations have changed for our globe. In short, what I do has a direct and immediate effect globally, however small it may be.

Of course in my ideal world everyone would voluntarily pitch in on an individual basis to change our globe. Reality however is that most people need a nudge to change at all, and if then not by a government or peer pressure then by the conveniences of big business. And independent of how many words and time we waste here on this topic today, this is exactly what is and will be happening in response to our climate. Some will use free will and rationality and change, while others will use their own rational to do nothing and then be forced to adapt by forces greater than themselves.
Oh, yes, I almost forgot to help you in regards to understand the scientific concept of "average". So, while it is true that the sea level's rate of increase averaged ~20cm (~180mm at 1.8mm/yr) over the last 100 years, this does not mean it was actually 1.8mm/yr in 1970. 1.8mm/yr is an average, that is, the mean value in a set of values typically ranging from lower to higher values than 1.8mm.

So while the rate of increase may have been 0mm/yr in 1900 (or very close to it), it is today estimated to be between 2-3mm/yr (depending on the measurements used - sat, tides, etc), i.e. almost twice the average of 1.8mm over 100 years. If you believe the satellite dataset, sea levels have risen almost ~60mm just in the last 17 years (3.1mm/yr). Average estimates puts the new sea level in 2100 at almost 50cm higher than today - taking with it most of the Pacific Islands, Bay of Bengal, etc. While the more pessimistic estimates tells us that we'll have 1m more sea and a whole new beachfront on every continent within 90 years. A world your new born and definitely your grandchild will have to deal with using whatever resources and inheritance you happen to leave behind.
RE: Copenhagen Consensus
The Copenhagen Consensus is directed by Bjørn Lomborg (yes, that one) and associated with the Copenhagen Business School (that centre of climate science excellence). Lomburg has a PHD in political science but still managed somehow to devise his own climate models. He has been given a thorough going over by natural scientists so if anyone wants to know how much this guy made up, distorted and just plain lied about – it’s only a google away (I suggest you start with Wikipedia and check out all the scientific institutions that have given him awards over the years- reputable climate research institutions like Business Week and World Economic Forum).
The Copenhagen Consensus is funded by a millionaire’s “philanthropic” fund and the Economist publishing group – no oil companies there but on their website I recognized John Bolton, a George W Bush (”I used to be an oilman” ) insider, UN ambassador (that wanted to abolish the UN) and noted right winger, ultra-nationalist and neo-liberal. Bolton is alleged to be behind the “yellow cake” documents that “proved” Iraq was sourcing enriched uranium from Niger. He has spent the last few years trying to get the US to attack Iran. Just one of their friends.

Ivo- Considering your sources (not just this post), your child-like faith in “the price mechanism” as the sole tool needed to guide long term policy (or non policy), is understandable. I resent you wasting my time by forcing me to poke through your right winger and neoliberal think tank sources. They are as rotten as your fake freedoms and fake concern for the next generation. Your grandchildren will spit on your grave.

I can see there’s no arguing with you Ivo – but I would like to pose a few questions.

Since you have chosen to demolish James L Powell’s arguments, would you say that his video represents the best available climate science? Or is he just a useful straw dog?

Do you accept that glaciers are shrinking, and if so, what is causing this? If not, can you refer me to your sources?

If climate change/global warming is part of a natural cycle, what is the mechanism that is causing this supposedly natural process? This is surely a critical part of your argument.

Since you know that greenhouse gases play a role in determining global temperature, do you agree that variations in GHG concentrations must be significant?

And did you know that although water vapour is a powerful GHG it is not included in NASA’s global climate model?

And do you know why they don’t include it?

Final question: have you ever visited this website?
http://members.iinet.net.au/~glrmc/new_page_9241.htm
Or this one? http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

You seem to get a lot of your information from them.

(latest report from The Huffington Post)
"The most recent report from the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration says, "Global warming is undeniable," and it's happening fast. NOAA's study, an in-depth analysis of ten key climate indicators, all point to marked and accelerating warming."

First, let's level the playing field and give renewables the same economic opportunities as dirty energy by getting rid of the billion-dollars subsidies that go to Big Oil and make them pay appropriate taxes - that will push up the oil price and immediately make oil slavery less attractive and cleaner energy more attractive.

If every household recycled, that means only about 10% of current waste going to a landfill (we are running out of landfill space), less money spent on waste disposal, more money and manpower available to fix roads (for eg).

There are 12 millions formal households in SA - if half of those were fitted with solar geysers, the amount of electricity saved would negate the need for the proposed new coal-station - the coal-station that has cost us billions in a dodgy World Bank loan.

And remember, the 'climate change' issue is just one of many environmental concerns - more and more, we are discovering the 'magical' chemical and industrial components that make life easy and cheap are having devastating biological effects on us and our natural support systems.

What denialists don't want to face is that our current standard operating procedures are screwing up the only planet we've got to live on. It can be incredibly scary to really face the facts, especially since, as a single individual, one is powerless to stop the permafrost melting (read up on the Siberian permafrost and methane gas if you want nightmares tonight); to clean-up the floating garbage patch the size of Texas off the USA West Coast; stop earthquakes as the earth's mantle adjusts to weight-shifts from melting ice-packs; renew the dying plankton (that provide so much of our free oxygen); save dying, bleached coral reefs (the base of so many ocean food-chains); remind sharks they're supposed to migrate when warming seas let them stay and overfish; and so on and so on.

But burying your head in the (BP oil-drenched) sand sadly doesn't make this all go away. More and more, the strident, hysterial voice of denialists sound more and more like the ignorant, selfish rants of petulant children - 'but I don't WANNA change... but I don't WANNA clean my room... but everyone ELSE is doing it...'

It's time we grew up as a species, developed a long-term vision not clouded by short-term illusionary economics and stop fouling our own nest.
Sarah - NOAA is also wrong. Ivo is always right.
Why argue a point I explicitly refused to make? I repeat: "Most sceptics accept that the 40-year (and 100-year, and 300-year) temperature trend is rising."

Oops. Ivo is also wrong. Ivo is always right.

More specifically, @Sarah:

1. I agree with you on subsidies for energy companies. I oppose all subsidies, taxes, tariffs and other government sabotage of the economy.

2. Where did you get the idea we're running out of landfill space? Who told you? Do you actually know how much volume we require to dump our waste in landfills? Let's take the notoriously wasteful USA. It could fit the next century's worth of rubbish, growing annually at current rates, into a dump 90m deep, occupying about one ten-thousandth of the surface area of the contiguous states. That's a fairly big dump, and I'd love a farm that size, but it is hardly "running out of landfill space".

Also, with the exception of a few kinds of waste for which recyclers will happily pay you a reclamation fee, dumping rubbish in landfill is *way* cheaper than recycling it. I got an advert in my local paper urging me to recycle the other day. The ad instructed me to sort my rubbish, taking care not to get the classification wrong and, for example, confuse laminated packaging containing foil or plastic with ordinary cardboard. Then it told me to wash my rubbish with hot water before throwing it in the bin. My hot water. Which I pay for. Which is heated using electricity generated by great big coal-fired power stations. I can't use the dishwasher, of course, so I have to do all this by hand. And once I've spent half my evening washing and sorting my refuse (these people are serious?!) I need to put them in separate colour-coded bins or bags, which I need to buy, and for which I need to make space in a kitchen that was designed for only one bin. Then, only one type of rubbish should be put outside for collection. I have to arrange for a separate refuse removal company to collect the other types, at my own expense, unless I take it to the recycling dump myself, using my own car, burning my own fossil fuels to produce plant food. There were times in history when we wasted this many productive hours on basic mechanics of living. We called them the Dark Ages. To put it simply, believing that recycling is a good idea because we're running out of landfill space is quite simply wrong, in a dozen major and hundreds of minor ways. And you call economics "illusionary"?

2. Speaking of arithmetic failure: care to put a price on six million solar water heaters? Care to explain how six million households will afford them, given that South Africa's per capita income is only R6,000 a month? How will our manufacturing capacity cope? What about the existing geysers that Eskom says will have to be replaced because they won't work with a solar water heating system? What about the hot water -- up to half of what a typical household requires -- that Eskom says a solar heater cannot provide? Solar water heaters do make sense in some cases, but believing that they'll magically solve all our problems if only six million of us installed them smacks of starry-eyed idealism uncluttered by fact.

3. As much as you liken environmental skeptics to holocaust deniers, they don't refuse to face reality. They merely think your claims are wrong, and not representative of reality. They do not believe everything is hunky-dory, but there is a world of difference between an imperfect world with some problems that need solving, and the apocalyptic nightmares in which ecomentalists wallow.

You're welcome to your nightmares. I do not believe it is healthy to live in neurotic fear of a vengeful Gaia who will send us to hell because humans are no more than a disease. Unlike the misanthropic eco-faithful.