The great 21st century intellectual war remains locked – as it has been for centuries - between scientific reason and irrational faith. But can secular society wash its hands of guilt if it allows faith that causes harm and death?
On hearing that Christopher Hitchens had been diagnosed with oesophageal cancer, one response from a self-proclaimed man of God was the following on Twitter: “God 1, Hitchens 0”. The motivation for such a callous response to a usually fatal disease (fewer than 5% of sufferers are alive after five years) is easy enough to trace: Hitchens, along with Daniel Dennett, Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris, is one of the “Four Horsemen” of a groundswell of resistance to the unreason exemplified by religious faith, and thus poses a direct threat to the mysterious legitimacy that faith-based claims enjoy.
What our divine scorekeeper does not, of course, dwell on is the fact that, according to his beliefs, all deaths are attributable to God, and that he could, therefore, just as well add another notch to this metaphysical bedpost if his mother, for example, were to die an equally unpleasant death. God’s victory is inevitable, as either she takes a believer “home” or she smites down an unbeliever. Either way, a civilised response to human trauma would be sympathy, rather than gloating.
Of course, the beliefs of this horrible man (the Tweeter, rather than the “Hitch”) are not representative of how most believers might feel. Yet I’d suggest that his is the sort of response that it is only imaginable for those who think that the moral calculus extends beyond our mortal existence, to be resolved in the hereafter rather than within the present. The reason they can contemplate saying such things is that there is a fundamental disconnect between the world in which they actually live and a world in which elves and fairies might as well be prancing about – such is the absurdity of many of their foundational beliefs.
For some, it is plausible that fairies do, in fact, prance about – or at least watch over you from afar. For others, it remains plausible that arbitrarily defined constellations from the time of your birth affect your personality. This belief is apparently not at all complicated by trivia such as the three major planets discovered since Ptolemy wrote the 1,900-year-old textbook of this pseudoscience.
I can understand how these collections of primitive fable and myth give some people comfort. What I cannot understand is why so many of us – speaking here of those who don’t endorse these insanities – so readily allow others to continue “infantilising” themselves, their children and whoever else is unlucky enough to be in their sphere of influence. These delusions are not restricted to the illiterate or otherwise unfortunate. A respected South African weekly carries content from an author who endorses Deepak Chopra and those of us who listen to talk radio are quite familiar with the babblings of Rod Suskind and his ilk.
Some might ask: “Where’s the harm?” Ask Kara, the Wisconsin child who died on the floor of her family home last year from a treatable illness, while her family stood around her and prayed. Or ask the Australian child who was also killed by her parents last year, because they insisted on administering homeopathic remedies (water, in other words) where regular medicine would have saved the child’s life.
Closer to home, you could speak to Leo Igwe, a Nigerian who is regularly imprisoned and harassed by police (along with his 77-year-old diabetic father and other members of his family) for “crimes” such as campaigning against Helen Ukpabio, who makes a living from victimising children she identifies as “witches”. Or perhaps, you could talk with the Somalis in Du Noon who, among others, are also victims of a similar disconnect between reason and unthinking grand narratives, here manifesting in the belief that “we” are more entitled to live and trade in a certain area than “they” are.
All of these issues have at least two things in common: One, they are premised on the absence of reason, and two, they involve harm. In the particular case of religion, and superstition more generally, the problem for those of us who aren’t victims of these irrationalities is that the question of where the harm lies begins and thrives in the privileged space where mysticism and quackery thrive.
There are no warning labels on the quackery you can buy at a pharmacy, even though the sugar pills and expensive water bought as homeopathic remedies can kill, if only through the complacent neglect for which they make allowance. Used responsibly (it is unclear what that might even mean), they would, of course, not kill. But the same could then be said of motor vehicles and alcohol, which do carry warnings. If the astrologer’s tepee had to carry a sign saying “for entertainment purposes only”, or the homeopathic remedy had to be labelled “only effective as part of a normal and sane existence”, I’d be less concerned.
But they don’t. And even those of us who dismiss these quaint follies when it comes to our own lives, know someone who takes these things seriously. And we allow them to do so because we think they do no harm. They might well not do harm to the Sandton socialite, but when someone who isn’t that privileged starts looking around for a remedy for their daughter’s illness, sees just how well these “remedies” do in the marketplace and reads the endorsements from those she perhaps aspires to be, is it not plausible that we become complicit in genuine harm?
As Sam Harris has persuasively argued in “The End of Faith”, the same could be true for religious belief in that, when violent extremists see that hundreds of thousands of regular folk believe the same things they do (albeit less fervently), how can that not provide encouragement to those prepared to actually invest their welfare – or their lives – in defending their beliefs?
Hitchens closes his memoir “Hitch-22” with this: “To be an unbeliever is not to be merely ‘open-minded’. It is, rather, a decisive admission of uncertainty that is dialectically connected to the repudiation of the totalitarian principle, in the mind as well as in politics.” And this gets it just right, in that it is certainty, of some form or another, that allows us to feel justified when we enforce our will – despite incomplete or nonexistent evidence – on others who might not believe in the same things we do.
The safest course is undoubtedly this: To admit to uncertainty in cases where we can’t be sure (which is pretty much equivalent to “all the time”), but, in the meanwhile, to proceed in ways that are best justified by what we think we can and do know. Among the things we probably know is that (to quote Hitchens again) “the defense of science and reason is the great imperative of our time”. And the enemies of science and reason are not always somewhere else – they are sometimes next door to you, or even sharing your bed.













I think a balanced view should be taken - balance the science with the faith in the unknown (as you yourself mentioned, put a warning sign on the tent). Complete faith in science (forsaking all else), in my opinion, is simply another form of extremism, and possibly just as dangerous.
Funnily enough, "science" also changed "it's" (who is this Science!?) opinion on whether the earth was flat when presented with testable facts. Can't say the same for the religious lot
Regarding homeopathy, have a chuckle here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGIbOGu8q0
If new atheism has been 'caricatured', I would be interested to know how. Perhaps in the way that religion has been caricatured? If my reading of new atheism is incorrect, please do tell me where I have gone awry.
In the meantime, do clarify for me how science can be held to be an absolutely infallible guide as to what we can know or not know, if science is itself fallible (particularly when it comes to quantum physics)? At best, science is a work in progress; as worst, a methodology that now functions as an instrument of the new inquisition.
Can we expect a swing back to logical positivism? Or does Hilary Putnam's still hold water:
"The observational terms are taken as referring to specified phenomena or phenomenal properties, and the only interpretation given to the theoretical terms is their explicit definition provided by the correspondence rules."
In your utopia, would you ban homeopathy (for the good of the stupid), or at least make it wear a yellow star on its chest? Would Deepak Chopra and his followers be obliged to attend re-education classes, because what you know is so obviously better than what they know?
For you, science and the scientific method is self-evidently beyond question, by simple rational analysis. Much like those who know they are right, because god told them so, you use your faith to prove your faith.
In your closing paragraph you admit to uncertainty in most things, then almost immediately claim certainty in some things. The truth is that nothing - nothing - is certain, and to behave as though it were is to be as guilty as the pope in the 15th century.
Ask yourself what you really know about the desk you're sitting at, and the answer is, perhaps, that its mostly vacuum. Then ask yourself what you really know about vacuum, and the answer is, perhaps, that its really filled with stuff which keeps coming and going. Then ask yourself what you really know for sure.
What a marvellous irony inheres in the fifth word of this sentence!
And is the pragmatism you espouse so different from the approach of many intelligent believers? It is precisely because they too admit to uncertainty that believers recognise the need for “faith.” It is their faith that guides them, as it does you, to “proceed in ways that are best justified by what they can and do know.”
The atheist’s equivalent “faith” is his conviction that the universe and everything in it are ultimately reducible to matter. That is no more of less provable, or falsifiable, than the believer's conviction that the universe is probably more ontologically complex than that.
I think the difference between intelligent -- by which I mean critical - atheists and believers is more a matter of temperament and vocabulary than anything else.
Agreed, this is often the case.
What a marvellous irony inheres in the fifth word of this sentence!
And is the pragmatism you espouse so different from the approach of many intelligent believers? It is precisely because they too admit to uncertainty that believers recognise the need for “faith.” It is their faith that guides them, as it does you, to “proceed in ways that are best justified by what they can and do know.”
The atheist’s equivalent “faith” is his conviction that the universe and everything in it are ultimately reducible to matter. That is no more of less provable, or falsifiable, than the believer's conviction that the universe is probably more ontologically complex than that.
I think the difference between intelligent -- by which I mean critical - atheists and believers is more a matter of temperament and vocabulary than anything else.
As one of the unbelievers I can understand how, especially on an emotional level, faith and religion (although the two are very closely linked, they are not necessarily equal) are held dear by so many millions of people.
We all fear death and are scared and confused by thoughts of our own mortality and that of our loved ones. It is hard to contemplate the idea that once we are gone, we are gone and the whole universe as seen from our unique, personal point of view with it. Faith provides a crutch for some, a deeply-felt conviction to others. Although not quite equal to some generally harmful pseudo-scientific ideas, faith in an unseen god probably does work in the same way as belief in astrology, homeopathic remedies, of all kinds: it provides a soothing remedy and/or alternative for a harsh and admittedly scary thought that we are part of the universe, but that the universe was not made for us.
It gives meaning to our lives, because it is hard to accept that the answer to the question of what the meaning of life is, may indeed be “There is no ultimate meaning. We simply are…”
As much as we want to believe that we are truly unique, we are an amazingly evolved form of something that is in itself extremely complex - life. But whether life as we know it, or in some other form is unique to our planet (and scientific indications are that although rare, it is very probable that life does exist elsewhere too) or not, the universe will continue until its inevitable demise in trillions of years (a concept that is admittedly mind-bogglingly difficult to conceive). Whether mankind - or a particular kind of person with particular world view - continues to live here or perhaps in the distant future on some other celestial body when Earth becomes uninhabitable, does not affect the universe – although things in the cosmos can and do affect us and will affect us as long as life on Earth exists.
Thoughts about the almost incomprehensible size and complexity of the universe hurt one's brain. It is understandable that such a large percentage of people find it easier to attribute the majesty of the cosmos to an almighty creator rather than to accept the cold, sad thought that we are not all that special and that galaxies will continue to evolve without man's interference, that stars are born and die in majestic supernovae without man even being aware of those. Among the billions of galaxies and trillions of stars, we live on a rocky planet with a benevolent moon situated at just the right distance from our star, the sun.
We, who are participating in this discussion are doing so in the blink of an eye in cosmic terms and yes, our bodies are wonderful things and human consciousness is almost magical in its wonder. But we do not understand how consciousness works, and there seems to be a deep-seated human need to find some way to keep alive the unique identity that allows us each to have an opinion here. It is very hard to accept that our uniqueness that we often refer to as spirit or soul our whatever, will not be there any longer.
I do therefore understand the need for faith.
Indeed, many scientists find it possible somehow also to be religious and have no problem accommodating both faith and the scientific method in their own thinking.
As an old-fashioned liberal I will defend the right of others to disagree with me and I therefore pay respect to those who believe in a god. But by the same token, I demand the same respect from believers. I do not want to hear time and again that "You must be so unhappy because you don't believe in God!" or things like that. If I am unhappy at times, it is not because of my beliefs. It is because, like all people - whether believers or not, sometimes life has nasty things coming at us. Every single believer who is honest with him or herself will have to admit that they too have unhappy times. If people can “fix” such times with faith, let them, it is their right.
But I do object to global decision-making that assumes the superiority of faith above a lack of faith. I object to a lack of faith being portrayed as somehow somewhat distasteful. I know that some atheists do the same with religion, and I do understand and agree with their arguments – especially when the leader of one of the World’s largest religions approve or does not actively and vigorously root out horrible things like child molestation. I object to wars being fought over religious beliefs. I object to be seen in some vague way as a Satanist - I deny both god(s) and Satan. I object to believers who assume that non-believers have no moral compass.
Apart from that, people should believe what they need to believe if they believe. Those who don’t believe in a super-human being are neither better nor worse than those who do need faith. I’d like to live in a world where this is generally accepted.
Sadly, it isn’t.
As I suggested in my previous posting, the hard-core atheist's ontological commitment -- to some form of materialist reduction - is no more demonstrable or falsifiable than Bishop Berkley's charming theory that the only substance in the universe is pure spirit.
And perhaps it makes no practical difference how we choose to label the stuff of which the universe is composed. Call it mind or matter or spirit or tiny vibrating strings. No matter. What we need is to believe unconditionally is that the booming buzzing confusion of sense data that appears to encroach our minds is at some level underpinned by or derived from a stable substratum that persists independently of our conciousness. It is only this "faith" that makes it possible to talk meaningfully to ourselves and others about self, time, space, walls and chairs.
Even atheists cannot do without faith in this form.
But I don't agree with you when you somehow intimate that non-belief in a god is a form of faith. Many authors and religious writers try to do exactly that and I simply do not accept it as true/relevant.
You may or may not be right that humans are hot-wired to believe -(I'm not aware of any study or proof that it is indeed the case). In fact it is not even important whether that is true or not.
What I am saying is that I understand why faith is important to some - and whether by conscious decision or not. Non-belief is not a question of being the opposite of belief. It is the lack of it - and again, whether by conscious choice or not, is actually unimportant.
It is not a question of being right or wrong about it. Of course people's world view will seem right to them - unless they are consciously struggling to formulate one for themselves (a state of mind that might be recognisable to many reading this). To hold views that seem "wrong" for you, would be, if not impossible, then at least a bit illogical.
I am saying that I expect the right to my non-religious world view devoid of faith as being as rich and meaningful to me - and also as painful, joyful, frustrating and confusing - as faith is to others who have it at the centre of their personal philosophies.
As said earlier, I agreed with you that often it is a question of semantics. But perhaps because of this linguistic problem, people on the religious side of the fence often have the "Ah ha, you say your view is right for you - and that is a form of faith." No, it isn't. It may be a kind of "belief" in the broadest sense of the word, but it is not "faith" on the same level of meaning.
Even if granted that the meaning might seem relevant, it is one of the meanings of that word, not the one and only one. Being OK with one's world view, having it work for you is somewhat different than holding specific views about a god or supernatural presence.
I said earlier that many scientists have no problem accommodating both faith and science in their world view. For those of them who can do that and see no conflict, it is "right" and I do not argue with their right to that view.
I do not put my faith in science as an absolute. To use a religious expression (they are so entrenched in our language, those expressions, aren't they?), heaven knows that science often fails to explain everthing and sometimes it takes a lot of mistakes before science can reach correct solutions or explanations for things. It is the very nature of the scientific method that it is a work in progress. Most scientists would agree on that.
Personally I am not comforted by the fact that some big questions have no answers. It sometimes scares me witless and makes me feel as impotent as any other human being NOT to have answers available to everything. But I cannot in all honesty hand those questions over to some god and say "well, there are some mysteries that only god is privileged to and I have to accept his ways through simply believing."
Believers can do that. Whether they are right or wrong is irrelevant. People like me simply say we don't know yet and maybe we will never know. Just as much as we can never have a peek into a parallel universe, if those do exist (because if we did, it would make them part of the universe we know), we cannot peek into other people's consciousness and demand of one another the same world view.
Again, I wish for a world where that kind of mutual respect for other humans labouring under the same human condition, could be a general one.
I am not someone "seeking for the truth" in a religious sense. That is the way a religious person sees it. I don't suffer - or rejoice - because of a lack of faith - I suffer - or rejoice - because I am human.
Lee, while we agree on much, this is the nub of our difference.
If you do not believe is something you call "God" or "spirit" as the ground of your being, you pysche will fill the vacuum with something else that is functionally equivalent.
For most atheists, that something else is "matter."
My claim is that you can no more "prove" that matter subsists than a theist can prove the existence of God.
What "God" and matter have in common is this: they are both posited rather than proven. They are not things in the world. They are rather the organising grid that you use to lend meaning and coherence to sense data.
I see the positing of matter as an act of faith. The rest is detail.
Yes, and before we go into too much detail and argument about this, I am keenly aware of the fact that many people - both scientists and non-scientists - have made remarks along the lines of quantum physics being very close to pure philosophy and in turn to some belief systems. Lots of people have written (somewhat sensational or sensationalised bestsellers) on that topic.
But if one really wants to be pedantic about some of these things then at least theoretical physics has come a much much longer way towards proving scientific theory, than has religious faith come to prove some of its most closely-held beliefs. The classic challenge of religious thought is to say that "science has to prove that god does not exist". But you cannot prove a negative. Yet all that religion has to offer as proof of the existence of a god is myth, mythology, tradition, anecdotal evidence and some vague statements of "just look at how god changes people's lives". The fact that it is also true that a belief in god can sometimes change people's lives for the worse, is then conveniently forgotten. (And yes, a lack of faith can similarly be "proven" to improve or make people's lives worse - depending on what kind of the fence you are on.) Those adhering to faith as a world view do not accept the need to prove that god exists using the scientific method because they say it is not necessary to use that method and a number of other arguments that I won't go into now.
But where we really DO differ is that you seem to see the very fact of a particular belief system as an issue of FAITH in a virtual religious sense.
I don't.
If we differ on that, so be it. I am not participating in this discussion to score points.
Indeed if you go back to all I have written it has been to say that I understand why people have the need for faith, but that science or no science many of us don't. Science is not an alternative to faith in my book. It is a way in which we learn to understand our world and the universe. It is not an end in itself.
It is not absolute for me in the same way that the sincerely faithful religious person sees god as their absolute. I am not an absolutist in that sense. And I know that the very lack of absolutism is an uncomfortable thought for many. I struggle with it too - but not in a way that religious "seekers of the truth" do.
Semantics yes, but also a bit more than that.
1. You write: “Michael, look down at your fingers - and whether they are feeling the cold or not, I think you will have to admit that they exist.”
Samuel Johnson, when told about Berkley’s non-materialist philosophy, supposedly kicked a rock, saying “I refute him thus.” A moment’s thought reveals the fallacy. Johnson's tough-minded “experiment” does not tell us one way or another whether Berkley is right. Assuming Berkley is right Johnson will still “see” the rock, and “feel” the impact of it on his boot. Johnson is not saying that subjective sensations are not felt. He is just saying that subjective sensations are not, as materialist empiricists assume, causally generated by solid “matter” that exists in a realm independent of our consciousness.
2. I am not basing my skepticism, on quantum physics, which I freely admit I do not understand, and which is understood even less by the New Age and Wa-Wa types that invoke it in popular books. Quantum physics does seem to cast into doubt some of the orthodoxies of corpuscular materialism. While this may shake vulgar materialism it does not, I agree, help traditional religious faith very much.
3. You write: “Theoretical physics has come a much longer way towards proving scientific theory, than has religious faith come to prove some of its most closely-held beliefs.”
Neither “physics” nor “religion” can claim to “prove” the objects of their respective faiths. That would be to try to lift yourself by your bootstraps. The assumptions and methodologies of each system are internal to the system itself. Unless a paradigm claims universal application (which would beg the question here), it have nothing to say about questions outside of its self-defined domain.
4. You write: “The classic challenge of religious thought is to say that "science has to prove that god does not exist". But you cannot prove a negative.”
I agree. This is a silly argument.
5. You write: “Science is not an alternative to faith in my book. It is a way in which we learn to understand our world and the universe. It is not an end in itself. “
Religious people (of whom I am not one), would use the same formulation. They will say: “Religion is not an alternative to God in my book. Religion is a way in which we learn to understand our world and the universe. It is not an end in itself. “
That said, it is nice to meet like-minded people but it does not mean I belong to some Church of NonBelievers. I refuse to be forced into some conceptual box via the use of semantics.
I tried to make it clear that science is not my "religion" and if your view on my world view is clearer than my own experience of it, then I guess I'll just live with my limited understanding.
I also tried to say over and over again that I respect others' right to their beliefs and specifically religious people's right to faith.
That still remains the main issue to me - and as you might know, many atheists will join the choir with many faithful to condemn me for that tolerance.
"I seldom even comment/talk about these things, because all too often it becomes this semantic to-and-fro and where admitting to normal, human limitations are not allowed. I said repeatedly that I struggle with life as much as any other person, whether religious or not. I don't have all the answers to life and the universe and everything else. But I also don't think that faith in a god or gods or some kind of eternel life provides those answers."
Strangely enough, I DO belong to the Church of Non-Believers. And I am not ashamed to say that.
But my denomination is not that of Dawkins. I worship rather with Christopher Hitchens, whose atheism is not a matter of epistemological arrogance but of political conviction, anti-clericism and secular sensibility.
Personally, I prefer the much more low-key approach of the sadly departed Douglas Adams. He generally dealt with the subject with humour and clarity without trying to be too clever about it. I always find it interesting that he
referred to himself as a "radical atheist" to convey the fact that he really meant it and one has to read his explanation to understand why he uses that term.
He said. "I think I use the term radical rather loosely, just for emphasis. If you describe yourself as 'Atheist,' some people will say, 'Don't you mean 'Agnostic'? I have to reply that I really do mean Atheist. I really do not believe that there is a god - in fact I am convinced that there is not a god (a subtle difference)... It's easier to say that I am a radical Atheist, just to signal that I really mean it, have thought about it a great deal, and that it's an opinion I hold seriously."
Although I would feel a bit uncomfortable with his "radical atheist" label as something that sounds a bit too militant, I guess like him I am fascinated by religion because of its effect on human affairs.
Enough said. Hopefully my point - or some of it - has been made.
And that's it when one stops the fartological arguments. Faith exists. It picks up where logic runs out of gas. Faith is the great "What If", the unanswerable "Okay, But". Without it science stalls, knowledge grinds to a squeaky halt and we stop being the illogical, irrational, beautiful, creative and imaginative beings we are. The rest is all blah-blah - interesting and absorbing blah-blah.
Tell us, the little people who look at you folks with the dumbstruck wonderment of Saul of Tarsus on the old Damascus road (which you have all doubtless walked & that's how you KNOW so much though you believe so little), tell us mere specks of cosmic dust or carbon-based life forms or whatever you would choose: If you could PROVE by every conceivable, irrefutable criterion, test & demand of science that God existed, would you?
The next one is the tough question: WHY?
Why? Because it would please the faithful who would be able to say "I told you so!" and it would also please the scientifically-minded who would say "Well, it was the least likely possibility, but there you have it, the scientific method wins again!"
I am writing up a paper, to be published in Nature in November.
I believe what we should resist, again and again, is the notion that we know what is best, not only for ourselves, but for everyone else, too, because *we know the truth*. Fact is, we don't. We have had experiences that have led us to our beliefs. I used to be an atheist and now I'm not, so one should always admit the possibility of one's changing one's mind - a very helpful quality to have, I find.
Ironically, Karen Armstrong, in her book 'The Case for God', says: "One of the things I have learned is that quarrelling about religion is counterproductiive and ot conducive to enlightenment. It not only makes authentic experience impossible but it also violates the Socratic rationalist tradition."
So I'm going to shut up now. ;)